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Advise on Siemens PLC

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#1 Advise on Siemens PLC

Hello,

I am about to setup a siemens PLC. This plc has a CPU module, IO modules and each module has a base. See attached image. I would like to have:

1- a layout as the picture in my schematics to show where to connect network, 24V etc.

2- each IO module in the schematics for detailed connection

3- a layout for the panel

4- a partlist that is correct

How to set it up? I understand everything for the CPU and the IO modules. But how to add the base? Make a base symbol with it's own number? Or as accessory? Every IO module can have different bases.

Goal is to have the right drawings and the right partlist.

 

Add as accessories

Thanks for posting on the forum.

It sounds like adding the bases as accessories to the IO modules would be the best solution.

Please let us know how it goes or if you need some more guidance!

Well, how to create the

Well, how to create the layout on the schematics as the first image and the layout in the normal io view (2nd image).

Make 2 separate symbols for the same part?

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Is it possible to use the

Is it possible to use the panel layout view of the plc on a page on the diagram and on the panel layout tab?

Jelle,

Jelle,

I would try:

Create each module, bases and PLC with their own Part# and Symbols.

Standard symbol for bases, since they have Power Terminals only. Symbol will look just like your picture (IO+Base). You can snip a picture and insert it when creating the symbol to save the time on doing each line.

PLC and IO Modules' symbols using Block generator.

When inserting to the schematic, PLC module and Bases symbols will create your picture.

Separate will be the IO's modules with detailed connections.

If Module A uses Base 1, Link the Base as an accessory to the module, then Save the Module. At this point the Module PN has the Module and Base as part of it. This way the right base is always linked to the module. It will show both PN in the BOM/Part List.

Layouts:

PLC its own Layout

IO's Layout will need to look just like your picture, IO and Base combined.

Bases do not need layout.

Keep in mind that once you inset the PLC to the Panel Layout, the Modules layouts linked to it will automatically be added.

 

Hope it helps you to start.

Phil

We'll get back to you shortly

Is it possible to use the panel layout view of the plc on a page on the diagram and on the panel layout tab?
This tutorial at 2:00 will show you how.

We'll get back to you shortly about the other questions.

Hello,

Hello,

I am also building a system with the same Siemens PLC. You cannot assume that a particular module always requires the same terminal base. The relationship between module and base part numbers doesn't work that way. The first base in the series must be a "New load group" type and subsequent bases can be other types. You can insert another "New load group" base wherever is appropriate. So to link the module and base part numbers together would create problems I think. I don't know this system well at all yet, but I know the Siemens PLC components extremely well.

Cheers,
Andy

Andy,

Andy,

Based on your comments, then I would update mine:

Basically, No need to save the module after the base has been linked as an accessory.

"If Module A uses Base 1, Link the Base as an accessory to the module" Both PN's should be shown in the BOM/Part List.

 

Regards,

Ok!

Phil is right.   If you don't save the module's part number after the accessory is assigned to the module, the accessory is not 'tied' to the module's part number. (It won't come automatically with it everytime you use this module...)

 

On second thought...

Adding the base as an accessory to the module makes sense, only SkyCAD does not currently take into consideration accessory layouts when laying out the PLC (including its modules and accessories). So, the base layouts would end-up hidden behind the next module’s layout. A better solution may be to define the base as a generic PLC module with no IOs assigned.  That way, it would appear automatically in the PLC layout view and still have it shown in the parts list.

Well, how to create the layout on the schematics as the first image and the layout in the normal io view (2nd image).
Make 2 separate symbols for the same part?

To get the result shown in your first image, you could either put an image on top of a custom standard symbol or modified block generated symbol. Phil mentioned something like this.
To get the second image result, just use the block generator.
Then, link the two symbols together.

Please let us know if all this helps.
 

Jelle,

Jelle,

If possible, for the benefit of the community, share how did you aclomplish it.

My solution

My solution is to have a symbol for each IO module. This symbol is also a component. This component has a layout that shows the IO module. Attached to this component I have 2 accessories, a light and a dark foot (New load group or Load bridged from the left). Each foot has a layout. The insertion point from the io module is at the bottom. The insertion point from the foot is at the top.

Like this the module is shown on the diagram. The foot is not shown.

I will insert the layout of the complete plc onto the sheet for a good view. I also show the layout in the panel layout.

Samples are attached.

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Nice!

Thanks for taking the time to let the rest of the SkyCAD community know how you did it!

Thanks Jelle,

Thanks Jelle,